Tue 29 Jan 2008
I got an email today from the PR rep for another YCombinator clone, based in Philadelphia:
DreamIt Ventures is a new pre-seed venture firm launched last week by three Philadephia-area tech entrepreneurs. DreamIt basically takes the Y Combinator approach to funding with the noted difference of providing the entrepreneurs (if they choose) with strategists to help run their new businesses. [press release; discussion on hacker news]
Boston-and-Silicon Valley-based YCombinator pioneered the “buncha dudes make a company over the summer” approach to funding, and as far as one can tell from outside, they’re doing pretty well. They’ve got Paul Graham’s recruiting cachet, plenty of industry connections, and a few years of experience. The clones (Techstars in Boulder, CO; SeedCamp in Europe; LaunchBox in DC; and now DreamIt in Philly) throw in a few variations, touting their own strategists or connections. The ones that advertise teaming with the local lawyers start to scare me — the last thing most 3-month-old companies need is a business prevention department.
But let’s put aside the pursuit of innovation here. Regular VCs don’t try to compete by developing innovative ways to invest; they compete for capital and deal flow and try to pick winning investments. YC may be famous but, with only 25-35 investments a year, must be turning down some good candidates. Can’t our clones fund the best of the rest and do almost as well?
Maybe. Venture investments are very risky; people often guess that 10% perform well and 90% tank. If all the founders apply to YC first, and if YC has a very good nose, they could cherry-pick virtually all of the promising investments before the clones ever get a chance.
On the other hand, seed investments aren’t a sophisticated nation-wide market. If an investor knows a kid who’s got some energy and brains, a little motivational nudge can turn that geek into a business. Getting better connected in schools and companies, especially around a specific industry or in an underserved locale, can probably help a lot.
On the other other hand, though, lowering barriers doesn’t always serve the investor well. Aren’t people who’re willing to move to Silicon Valley more likely to work hard and sacrifice for the business? I mean, we’re talking about an environment useful for running computer companies and playing frisbee, but virtually nothing else (maybe In-N-Out Burger). What about the “strategists” that DreamIt plans to offer? Who’s a better founder: one who will learn accounting so he can understand all parts of his business, or one who thinks an outsider with some stock and a salary can handle that “while I focus on the big picture”? A friendlier investor may be inviting more extra losers than winners. Perhaps the goal should be to tear down social barriers (risk stigma, family expectations, getting taken seriously in deals) while preserving barriers that test competence and perseverance.
In any case, it’s great to see this kind of venture firm growing. Despite the competition, Paul Graham et al. must feel at least a little vindicated to see their hack so widely duplicated. But some–perhaps most–of these firms are bound to fail. How many can succeed? What will the next round of successful “summer-stage” firms look like?
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January 30th, 2008 at 11:34 am
Shimon:
Thanks for your thoughtful post. I thought your points were well made. Here are some things that popped into my head while reading it:
First - the lawyers. Don’t worry. Our main goal at DreamIt is to help bright energetic people coming in for our program launch a great company – so when DreamIt ’08 ends near the end of August each company is able to hit the ground running and/or raise additional funding at our funding day. To be prepared for either they need a properly formed company with the proper shareholder agreements. That is what we are asking the lawyers to do. They will also help each owner determine whether hey have IP that could or should be protected. Having successfully founded or co-founded 5 companies (2 sold successfully, 3 operational) I can assure you the lawyers won’t get in the way.
Now onto more important items…
In the heart of your post you raise a good question about the number of potential companies that might be out there and whether at some point there would be diminishing returns for us if YC gets all the best companies and if more of us are popping up.
My answer is…we don’t see this as a problem.
First, we think there are plenty of great people with great ideas floating around out there and many of them don’t even know about this type of program. So my first thought is that while each of us (DreamIt, TechStars, YC) will get just a slice of the pie, the pie should grow as this model proves successful and more people understand what these type of programs bring to the table.
Second, and probably related, is geography. We have spent considerable time in the last few months talking to extremely bright, young, talented technical folks at or just out of schools in the region like Penn, Drexel, Princeton, etc. Many have not heard of YC or TechStars and are excited to learn (1) about both these programs in general and (2) that DreamIt is nearby. In this regard, I think that while we are growing the size of the pie, we are also finding a very fertile untapped local market in our region.
Finally, I want to mention something that came up in a conversation I had this weekend. I spoke with someone who was funded by one of these programs after applying to both YC and TechStars. How did he decide which one to go to? It was the one that told him he was accepted first! (Sounds like my college experience). While we have the utmost respect for the other companies running this model and applaud YC for coming up with this model first, we are confident that DreamIt will get our share of the best of the best.
I also wanted to explain the strategist role a bit more. As we talked to some of the people who are applying and who had previously applied to the other companies we saw a wide range of skill sets. Some are incredibly well rounded and while they are great technologists they should also be capable of building a business plan, making a presentation and running a new company. Others have a great idea but understand their strength is in engineering and/or coding the project. Our goal (which may or may not be achievable) is that EVERY DreamIt company which leaves our program at the end of August will have an ongoing entity and, if needed, follow-on funding. This requires not only a great product, but a small team of people covering all aspects of the business. We hope that by offering mentors and advisors throughout the program (we have some really, really good folks lined up for this), education on topics such as funding, go to market strategies, etc. and, for those teams that need it, a business oriented team member with “rock star” talent (our strategist), we are able to achieve our goal.
One other thing I wanted to mention was that we are very excited by the reaction and momentum this has gained in the mid Atlantic region. If you glance at the Team page on our web site you will see that just about every major law firm, accounting firm, venture capitalist, economic development group, etc. has pledged support for the program and will be involved in our funding day. In addition, significant technology experts/companies in the area like First Round Capital (Josh Kopelman), Safeguard Scientifics, Internet Capital Group, and others will be providing support and speakers for our program. The calls and emails keep coming in every day and we look forward to a great summer program.
Finally, and most importantly, is what you say at the end of your post. It is great to see this kind of activity in the market. Having started and successfully exited multiple companies, my partners and I are determined to make this successful and we very excited to have the chance to help others achieve their dream!
Mike Levinson
Founder, DreamIt Ventures
February 5th, 2008 at 11:13 am
ReadWriteWeb has a good overview of different summer-stage funding firms:
http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/guide_to_seed_fund_incubators.php
February 26th, 2008 at 3:24 pm
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June 16th, 2008 at 9:54 pm
Call me skeptical, but I still can’t see how any of these second tier YC replicas can replicate YC’s level of success. If they want to, they’re going to need to come up with a more defensible competitive advantage than the ignorance of founders.
I’m not sure how college applications worked back in Mike’s day, but if Bunker Hill Community College were to accept me, I’d still wait to hear back from MIT before making my decision. Don’t colleges have common deadlines specifically to allow for this?
Also, on the geography point, early stage founders are not likely to be limited to regional seed funding programs and are more likely to make their decision on other factors such as the track record and quality of the program.
That said, I do agree that there is a bigger demand than supply for these programs and it’s nice to see more popping up that will undoubtedly increase the size of the proverbial pie. I do look forward to seeing the landscape mature.
July 1st, 2008 at 11:08 am
We are having a wonderful experience as part of the DreamIt Incubator. The teams are top notch, the people are incredible, the attorneys are excellent, and the guest speakers are some of the highest caliber talent in the industry.
If anyone has any questions about the experience please feel free to contact anyone on my team.
Pete Groverman
Pgroverman@tapinko.com